I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 9] Will most summer camps be lily white forever?

Co-hosts David M. Conley and Chris Thurber reveal surprising truths about the pinnacles and pitfalls of being an anti-racist. Social justice can save the world but depends on a sustained commitment to the raggedy work of taking initiative, listening to feedback, speaking your truth, and tolerating alternate views...all with civility.   Read More

Reverend Dustin Ward explains Polite Racism, Whitewashing, and the painful irony of Christians dismissing racial reconciliation as "too political." He also describes the shattering consequences of putting scripture into practice. Jesus met with opposition when He advocated for social justice two millennia ago...and nothing has changed. Or has it?   Read More

The era of lightweight, check-the-box discussions about racism is history. Dr. Chris Thurber (clinical psychologist) and Mr. David Conley (communications consultant) use candor and empathy to fuel waves of change. This introduction to Season 1 lays the groundwork for the candid conversations in Episodes 2 through 15, featuring fascinating guests on the forefront of social justice.   Read More

Teacher, Andy Bigelow, and his husband, Brian Lighty, discuss the joys and complications of being a gay, mixed-race couple. How do public perceptions affect their private experiences? What social conventions are more "white," whereas others are more "Black"? How does this professional power duo navigate multiple stereotypes and prejudices while still maintaining a sense of humor? And how do they decide when to speak up about microaggressions and when to let them ride?   Read More

Special guests Ken Mendis, Chair of the Racial Unity Team, and Joshua Conley, Mizzou student leader and 2060 POTUS, discuss what motivates people of all ages to be fight prejudice. You'll be stunned to learn why listening leads to more change than strident rhetoric. Click play for some fresh voices on race in America.   Read More

Guests Jacob Conley, student at Boston Conservatory of Fine Arts, and Dacha Thurber, Phillips Exeter Academy ’20 discuss what systemic racism looks like on campus today. What’s with @blackat[____] Instagram accounts? Can one person represent an entire race? Will music and theater communicate better than posts and protests?   Read More

Phillips Exeter Academy teacher and coach, Brandon Thomas, joins co-hosts David M. Conley and Dr. Chris Thurber to explain how race is perceived differently in China vs. the US and how classrooms can be crucibles for anti-black racism. Are international exchange programs part of the solution?   Read More

Hosts David and Chris discuss media coverage of Gabby Petito's murder. What responsibility do journalists and media corporations have to investigate and publicize crimes against people from traditionally under-represented groups? How do we, as media consumers, counteract the bias in who makes headlines?   Read More

Special Guest, Montague Simmons, is a professional community organizer and human rights activist. Take an intriguing peek behind the curtain in hotspots like Minneapolis, Louisville, and Grand Rapids with a man who has devoted his life to helping under-represented people represent themselves loud and clear.   Read More

Guests John Leggette, St. Louis Metro Police Department, and Montague Simmons, human rights activist, debate the merits and practical considerations of #defundthepolice​. How can the US peacefully undo 30+ years of addressing social strife with a forceful police presence and mass incarceration? As Legette and Simmons explain, we need to commit to eliminating the root causes of crime, including unemployment, racism, lack of affordable housing, and low-quality education.   Read More