I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 19] How did racism play out in the murder of Gabby Petito?

Special Guest, B. J. Walker, is an expert at understanding how government programs and services work. As the former director of Health & Human Services for the State of Georgia, she works tirelessly to support executives in public systems to move beyond the daily transactional work they do. Learn how Ms. Walker helps top leaders achieve their aspirational and transformational goals, even when racism threatens to derail them, as well as how the commercialization of... Read More

Special guest, John Daves, Director of Community & Equity Affairs at St. Mark's School, discusses the identity lenses we look through, our willingness to look in the mirror, and the importance of "second sight"--the ability to see ourselves how others see us. Is this a triple threat for white people or other majority groups?   Read More

Phillips Exeter Academy teacher and coach, Brandon Thomas, joins co-hosts David M. Conley and Dr. Chris Thurber to explain how race is perceived differently in China vs. the US and how classrooms can be crucibles for anti-black racism. Are international exchange programs part of the solution?   Read More

Guest—Dr. Edward "Skip" Walton—has saved thousands of lives. Walton is a pediatric emergency physician, university professor, lieutenant commander in the Navy Reserve, and medical director at North Star Reach, a therapeutic camp that serves children with chronic illnesses. In this interview (conducted while  in post-exposure quarantine following several weeks of medical service with the Navy Reserve) Walton talks candidly to families like yours about viruses, summer camp, and the virtue of unselfishness.   Read More

Hosts David and Chris discuss the Sept 23 violence against Haitian refugees at the US - Mexico border. How do images of this event portray American values to audiences on MSNBC, Fox News, and Al Jazeera? What do these grim echoes of America's history of slavery say about our social progress?   Read More

Co-hosts David M. Conley and Chris Thurber reflect on lessons learned from their first nine episodes. From public servants to students, ministers to movement organizers, the discussions have been illuminating, controversial, raggedy, and inspiring. But what have David and Chris learned? Click play and decide whether you agree or disagree.   Read More

Co-hosts David M. Conley and Chris Thurber reveal surprising truths about the pinnacles and pitfalls of being an anti-racist. Social justice can save the world but depends on a sustained commitment to the raggedy work of taking initiative, listening to feedback, speaking your truth, and tolerating alternate views...all with civility.   Read More

The era of lightweight, check-the-box discussions about racism is history. Dr. Chris Thurber (clinical psychologist) and Mr. David Conley (communications consultant) use candor and empathy to fuel waves of change. This introduction to Season 1 lays the groundwork for the candid conversations in Episodes 2 through 15, featuring fascinating guests on the forefront of social justice.   Read More

Special Guests, Makela Elvy and Briana Mitchell, founders of S'More Melanin, describe the "ah-ha" moment that inspired their collaboration to change the summer camp status quo of "being a speck of pepper in a sea of salt." Learn what the multicultural future of camp will be, as well as how you can help provide this amazing experience for more youth from more different backgrounds.   Read More

Guest Dr. Michael Bieze, Fine Arts Chair at Marist School, discusses the peril of public statues and monuments, when art is a political statement, designing an anti-racist curriculum, and why freedom of expression matters. Listen and decide whether a white educator really knows what a Black person experiences outside their local courthouse.   Read More