I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 11] What does the Bible teach us about social justice?

Reverend Dustin Ward explains Polite Racism, Whitewashing, and the painful irony of Christians dismissing racial reconciliation as "too political." He also describes the shattering consequences of putting scripture into practice. Jesus met with opposition when He advocated for social justice two millennia ago...and nothing has changed. Or has it?  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 10] Is protesting protesters a malicious political trick?

Co-hosts David M. Conley and Chris Thurber reflect on lessons learned from their first nine episodes. From public servants to students, ministers to movement organizers, the discussions have been illuminating, controversial, raggedy, and inspiring. But what have David and Chris learned? Click play and decide whether you agree or disagree.  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 9] Will most summer camps be lily white forever?

Special Guests, Makela Elvy and Briana Mitchell, founders of S'More Melanin, describe the "ah-ha" moment that inspired their collaboration to change the summer camp status quo of "being a speck of pepper in a sea of salt." Learn what the multicultural future of camp will be, as well as how you can help provide this amazing experience for more youth from more different backgrounds.  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 8] What’s really going on behind social justice movements?

Special Guest, Montague Simmons, is a professional community organizer and human rights activist. Take an intriguing peek behind the curtain in hotspots like Minneapolis, Louisville, and Grand Rapids with a man who has devoted his life to helping under-represented people represent themselves loud and clear.  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 7] What does systemic racism on campus look like right now?

Guests Jacob Conley, student at Boston Conservatory of Fine Arts, and Dacha Thurber, Phillips Exeter Academy ’20 discuss what systemic racism looks like on campus today. What’s with @blackat[____] Instagram accounts? Can one person represent an entire race? Will music and theater communicate better than posts and protests?  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 6] What is the real danger of public statues & monuments?

Guest Dr. Michael Bieze, Fine Arts Chair at Marist School, discusses the peril of public statues and monuments, when art is a political statement, designing an anti-racist curriculum, and why freedom of expression matters. Listen and decide whether a white educator really knows what a Black person experiences outside their local courthouse.  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 5] How can government systems truly support Black leaders?

Special Guest, B. J. Walker, is an expert at understanding how government programs and services work. As the former director of Health & Human Services for the State of Georgia, she works tirelessly to support executives in public systems to move beyond the daily transactional work they do. Learn how Ms. Walker helps top leaders achieve their aspirational and transformational goals, even when racism threatens to derail them, as well as how the commercialization of public education is cannibalizing our...

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 4] What does it take for a minority ex-con to get a job?

Special guest, Rev. James Winfrey, discusses the good work that he and his wife do with formerly incarcerated and formerly homeless persons. How do race and a history of incarceration or homelessness affect their experiences on Skid Row, the obstacles to accessing education, and their challenges finding work? What role does Urban Alchemy play in helping people learn social and emotional skills, tap into their character strengths, and live a better life? A profound look at the common core of...

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 3] How does a biracial gay couple cope with life and bias?

Teacher, Andy Bigelow, and his husband, Brian Lighty, discuss the joys and complications of being a gay, mixed-race couple. How do public perceptions affect their private experiences? What social conventions are more "white," whereas others are more "Black"? How does this professional power duo navigate multiple stereotypes and prejudices while still maintaining a sense of humor? And how do they decide when to speak up about microaggressions and when to let them ride?  

I’M BLACK; YOU’RE WHITE–NOW WHAT? [Ep. 2] Does a Black detective want to defund the police?

St. Louis police detective, John Leggette discusses defunding the police, being a Black detective in a mixed-race city, the causes and consequences of violence, and how community policing can work to enhance law, order, and civility across the nation. Hosts David Conley and Chris Thurber also discuss institutional racism with Detective Leggette.